Advice For Entrepreneurs

Introduction

This summary explores the inspiring story of Roggen Frick, a young entrepreneur who transformed a college side hustle into a thriving manufacturing business. Roggen’s journey highlights key lessons in business growth, systemization, cash flow management, and the importance of adaptability. His experience underscores how passion, strategic decision-making, and continuous improvement can lead to success, even amid challenges.

Roggen’s Background and Business Genesis

Roggen Frick grew up immersed in heavy machinery through his father’s construction business, fostering a hands-on skill set from a young age. His entrepreneurial spark ignited during his freshman year of college when he welded and sold a soil screening product, a grizzly rock screen. Initially a side project to fund his hobby and college expenses, the venture quickly gained momentum, prompting Roggen to expand operations and hire employees.

Key Milestones	Details
Started in college	Welding soil screening equipment
First shipment mishap	Iron swung into wall, learned to say "no" and reschedule
Growth	From a one-man operation to a team of six employees
Full-time focus	Transitioned from construction management degree to business owner

Lessons in Business Development

Roggen emphasizes that his success was rooted in learning by doing and leveraging his hands-on skills. His early experience welding and building gave him confidence to experiment with manufacturing. A pivotal lesson was recognizing the importance of systemization—implementing tools like ERP systems to manage inventory, scheduling, and data analytics. This shift from manual tracking to automated systems allowed for scalability and better decision-making.

Transcript

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you can really grow a business rapidly and absolutely go broke hello everybody welcome to Behind Their Success podcast today we have on Roggen Frick, Roggen is a dynamic entrepreneur whose journey from motocross enthusiast to manufacturing innovator is as inspiring as it is

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instructive raised in the world of heavy machinery through his father's construction business Roggen's early exposure to hands-on work sparked an entrepreneur spirit that would eventually lead him to found Bare Iron

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Works a company that has grown from a modest college side hustle into a powerhouse serving the excavation and construction industry nationwide ragan welcome on Behind Their Success yeah

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thanks for having me on i'm really looking forward to our conversation we're going to have today yeah absolutely Ragan so tell us about your business tell us about Bare Iron Works and and what is that so Bare Iron Works

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is a company that we made because we saw a demand for certain products in the civil construction industry that wasn't quite being met or fulfilled like the products that we make are can be hard to find at times um and it seems like there

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wasn't you know two good manufacturers out there that brought good value to the table and that's what we see now it originally started out as just the idea of like you said side hustle in college

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i was I would weld up our main product which is a a grizzly rock screen for screening out soil and getting rid of big rocks um and I needed a shop to put my dirt bike in and so uh I decided well

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I'll get a welding shop i can put my dirt bike in there and work on it and I'll just make some of these grizzlies and I'll sell them um at like a Richie Brothers auction or whatnot and I built a website so I could advertise it and pretty soon I started

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getting so much business that I was in a bigger shop and I had a couple employees and then it was a little bit too much to try to keep up with school and everything yeah so this was all while Yeah all while you were in college right

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yeah this was all this was my freshman year of college it was Wow i I rebuilt a dirt bike and my buddies the engine was uh toasted so I rebuilt the engine got it running again and sold it and that paid for the first month's rent to the shop and helped me get the welder uh so

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that I could start making it and uh yeah it's been quite the journey you know I've learned a lot along the way i learned how to weld um just because my dad's construction company you know I had hands-on experience that and then in

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my good old high school a class I got a lot of time to practice welding and so that taught me a skill that uh helped pay the bills and um you know it when it first started out it was kind of crazy i

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remember my first shipment of iron I got I wasn't ready for it i built a crane so that I could unload the truck and I didn't have the crane ready yet and the iron shipment was supposed to come the following day this is lesson number one

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is it it's okay to say no and reschedule truck because the truck came up and I was like oh my gosh so I leave class and I uh I drive really quick over to my shop and I get there i meet the driver and the crane's not ready i pick up the

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crane or I pick up all the iron with the crane and I have him pull out from under it and because it wasn't set up quite right the iron just started to kind of like swing and it went straight into the wall and first of Yep first little iron it didn't go very well and so uh that was

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lesson number one I learned right away it's okay to say no go ahead and reschedule for the time that it was supposed to be here so I could have my crane ready um but now you know now we're a full-on operation we have uh six production

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employees uh you know very professional safety's number one priority in our shop we have proper cranes forklift certifications and everything and it's come a long ways from the humble beginnings yeah from the beginnings yeah

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yeah that's interesting so you know it's it's kind of an interesting story right so this kind of started as there was no grand plan at least my assumption here what I'm taking away from your story right it was yeah I started uh doing

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this i'm going to play around some stuff i just need to make a little bit of money so I'm fixing a dirt bike and you've kind of turned this into just one thing led to another and it kept building right yeah because it was never

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the plan to actually working in manufacturing i actually got a degree in construction management and was going to work in construction and even when I I shut the business down midway through college just so I could finish my degree and I went and worked in uh commercial

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construction for a couple years and then my dad decided hey he was working in uh for a big construction company Kwit and he was kind of getting tired of working seven days a week 12 hours a day you

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know and he was living in Louisiana instead of at home and it was just becoming a little much and he said you know that the Grizzly business seemed like it had good potential what if we you know started that back up as a team

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added some product lines and everything and so I kind of focused on the marketing side because my website did a pretty decent job at getting me business um and then he worked on setting up the

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operations while I was still working at the commercial contractor so that way I didn't have to take a salary and it kind of helped get the business up and going a little quicker um and then eventually I was able to come on full-time and now

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we we work as a cohesive team and we we've done great things together how old are you now Ron 26 so I would have been 18 when I started it yeah yeah okay you know starting that out right like for example right that crane

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situation or you were you know you were in the middle class you're dealing with several different things a lot of people wouldn't have continued down that path that you did there right they wouldn't have taken that chance they wouldn't have ordered that big thing of iron and

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start you know trying to just slap together a crane and and make it all happen right right why Why do you think you did why did you make that choice if you have a you know I think that because of the experience that I had growing up

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I wasn't like buying iron and building things and using my hands to make something wasn't as scary of like an experience as maybe a lot of people are who's like thinking about moving into

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starting their own business where they have to do some type of hands-on production of something they never done before you know I felt comfortable welding i had I had sold I had made one of these and sold it in high school the first one and the customer liked it it

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was built well i did it you know I was getting to be a good enough welder at that point that I felt confident I could make them um and I I think just that exposure you know I feel like uh a lot of kids don't get exposure to hands-on things anymore

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and when they get up you know into adult age you know reading a tape measures still kind of a new skill can be at times and so when when you're talking about building something any anything complex um these are simple but really but you know anything it can be overwhelming for a lot of people yeah

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yeah yeah yeah for sure for sure so obviously you know you were young starting out you know starting out your own business young entrepreneur um I'm sure you've had to learn learn some lessons along the way um tell us about

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one of those experiences right where maybe you you made a mistake or or something went wrong right in in the business like I said you know all of us have plenty of those you know what give me give me one of those stories and and

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kind of what was your takeaway what did you learn from that yeah so I mean like I I feel like as you build a business and you grow with a business your roles change right when I first started it I was cutting the steel I was welding I

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was doing accounting I was doing every single thing that is involved with the business right i was even doing the deliveries and that was something that I was doing like free deliveries for the first 200 miles and that was just taking

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up way too much time right and so yeah learning how to do like manage like what you're good at um and just kind of learning things because I didn't understand how the how the freight industry works and how to ship anything

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but as you grow with your business you know then you're going to start turning away from being the hands-on guy and you're going to start putting on your business hat you have to start using some business mindset and one of the

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first things that we kind of learned was cash flows and how important it is and I had a little bit of exposure to it in the construction program because that's very important for construction projects u we were building a lot of these and we were doing like net 30 terms and so

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we didn't have very good cash flow coming in through the business and it's when we started getting a larger volume of orders it started become a little bit difficult to manage that it's like okay are we going to get payroll paid and

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everything like that and so we also had you know some customers that probably shouldn't have trade credit terms and so what do you mean you got old accounts receivable no one's going to pay huh right right yeah and it's like finding those customers there that uh

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that are genuine and making a vetting process for that and so that's when I decided well what if we switch to e-commerce because it it makes it more convenient to buy the product that

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they're going to check out right away for the most part and then you're getting your cash up front to pay for the materials and so then it helps everything go a little bit smoother and then once you got some cash flowing up in the upfront then you can have some inventory which also helps drive your

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sales up because something's ready to go yeah and you just you you constantly shifting you know I didn't I started out as a welder and now my role mainly in the company is being the business leader

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and a software and web developer which is something I never really imagined myself doing yeah right yeah like same here it's like I'm like the full-blown marketer and I'm like that's not at all what I went to school for

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and you know you you made a couple a couple great points there i want to circle back for the for the listeners there you know Ron was talking about net 30 um that that's like an accounts receivable term so basically you know he sells a product delivers it and the

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customer's got 30 days to save right the amazing thing is this is a great example of how you can really grow a business rapidly and absolutely go broke um and be a very profitable business and have

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no cash and be broke right yep because when you're dealing with physical products like Ragan is in and his business is you need inventory and you're you know if you're you're continuing to grow you got to continue

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feed inventory and you need more and more capital to do that and eventually if you're on net 30 terms with all your customers is holy moly there's no cash left in the business even though everything seems like it's going well

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but all the money's gone right um so you really got to you know in a construction business or product type businesses cash flow like just profitability is not the only thing you need to be looking at it's it's the timing of cash flow is

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extremely important the other thing Roggen was talking about there is is really his shifting roles right you know he talked about in the beginning right it's it's similar to my situation in the beginning I did literally everything it

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was me and my computer and and uh you're wearing every hat in a role but like as you move up that success ladder as you start to grow the business your role needs to shift right you need to shift out of the guy that's wearing every hat

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and into um you know more more your zone of genius and and what you should be working on and replacing a lot of those old roles right with other people that are skilled at those specific things

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yeah definitely you got to really be willing to delegate you got to be comfortable with that because you know when you first start out you're like I I have the knowledge i know how it's working i I'm the only one that can do it right but you got to kind of shift your mentality you got to be able to

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train other people and help them understand what the bigger picture is and what the things that they need to do are that way you're not wearing every single hat because in the growth of every business and every phase of it as

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it grows you're going to constantly find yourself pushed to that limit where you can only get so many things done yeah and even that was true at the beginning stage when I was trying to just make one

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product a month and sell it and that's the same now where you know we have a full production crew and everything like that because there's just the needs scale as the business scales yeah yeah and you need to be constantly trading in or trading off like you know tasks that

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you shouldn't be doing and and trading them off for higher leverage tasks right for your time as they are right that's that's a process entrepreneurs should always really be thinking of it's like how do we push the work down how do I

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get other people you know I don't know if you've ever read the book Who Not How by um Ben Hardy and and Dan Solden fantastic book about anytime something new comes up to your business it's not like how am I going to do this it's like

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who is going to do this um do I have a who in my business that can do this or do I need to go find a different who but asking the question of who is going to do this is a whole lot more opening in your mind instead of how because the

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entrepreneur usually goes to oh my god that's going to be me how am I going to do that I can't do another thing and so you're right like every level of the business there's always a million things you need to be doing and it's just focus

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and clarity and trying to find the few lynch pin items or the bottlenecks in your business currently that you should be focused on and pressing into because that's going to release and then you know guess what you're gonna have a new

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lynch pin that you're gonna have to work on after that right because the game never No it does not and even even something like you know like something I like about manufacturing compared to construction is you're building the same

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thing every time maybe a little variations but but even in a business like manufacturing where we have a full system in place and everything is pretty much the same over and over and over again there's still new things that come

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up all the time there's still new customers that want something special done um and there's always something that seems to come up it's never just the same thing like you would expect it to be yeah and you know that's one of

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the biggest problems humans have is that they think they shouldn't have any problems they expect to get some you know so there's this day where you know my business is in a place and it's like the

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money rolls in i don't have any problems everything works perfect my clients get me exactly what I asked for the first time and you know everything's perfect but that that never is right because we're in you know we're in a dynamic

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world things are always fluctuating there is no stagnant world to build some perfect thing in um you're always going to have problems so you know we we kind of talked about one of you know one of the bigger

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mistakes you made Roggen tell me through all this you know as a young guy you know 26 pretty impressive kind you know what what you built what would you credit as the best decision you've made on that journey that that has led to your success i would say that the best thing that we did was

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creating a system for management for the business um because especially once you start bringing in employees and managers into your business you need to have a way to all be on the same page about stuff um and so when we initially started you know some things weren't

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getting tracked then they're getting tracked in Excel but it's kind of messy and probably only one person understands how that Excel sheet works right and so one of the things that we did was we launched an ERP system that helps manage

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our inventory because now we can track all of our raw material and our work in progress and our finished goods uh and that ties into our website it has an auto scheduler that schedules out all

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the workers and then they can you know tell how much material they used on a job and then it picks all of that and then that gives valuable insights right that gives me data that I can read so instead of guessing that okay I think

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it's going to take 10 hours to make this product I can look and see what the actual data says and go okay well even though we think that it can be done that fast it's not it's not happening that fast so either the employees not getting

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it done or our expectations are wrong correct and we're kind of reassessing those things and that it helps us to be tactile and be able to adapt a little bit quicker as well as having a system where you're not doing um repetitive tasks over and over again because

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software can be made to help alleviate those types of things you know and it's really helpful in those senses yeah yeah like templates and and and all these types of things and yeah especially with today's technology with

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AI and gosh everything that's out there like the ability to really close a lot of the holes in your business or and you know what I think he's saying there is really is like systems right um you know you started out as a college side hustle

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and it's like ah just trying to make some money and like that's cool and that's great but like you can't build that's not a business right like to be a real business one that operates and doesn't necessarily take all of your

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life and um you know all of your stress and everything you got to start building systems and and systems that allow your business to scale yep give you great data like he's talking about that tracks and because what's like tracked and

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measured is is going to improve um and and it's really just hey you know I it's going from almost like an amateur to a professional right there's a there's a great book called uh gosh what it's by

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Steven Presfield gosh it's about becoming professional like and just you know as entrepreneurs that they they need to start becoming professional in all their different areas of life and taking things seriously and not just

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playing with things and being an amateur to be honest with you yeah a system doesn't always have to be just like a software system a system can be a physical system about like how do you do things like in your production or you

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know like it could be something as simple as like a tool that makes the process better that you kind of custom develop to make the system better uh it's system kind of can be a broad term there yeah it's really just things that

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get everybody on your team you know kind of on the same page right and everybody's agreeing on the same data and facts and everybody knows like the language and what's going on there right and and you know you don't need that

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when it's just Rag and Welton you know because the system's just my head i have it all right there yes but that doesn't work when there's six other people in there right and and things start just you know when you start building that

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putting things together things just got start getting infinitely more and more complex that systems and automation need to be built otherwise yeah you're just going to create chaos a lot right yep

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yeah and I think uh you know whenever you find yourself stuck in an inefficiency regularly use that as an opportunity to go okay well how can I take this systemize it somehow to make it efficient that might also improve other parts of the business as well yeah yeah there's there's a lot of

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opportunity in those inefficiencies to really grow your business and make a little bit better oh for sure yeah and and and that's you know that's just the continuous improvement loop like Right i mean there's once again we were talking

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about earlier it's like there's always going to be problems to solve right yep always always problems to solve and I think the the important thing or where a lot of entrepreneurs get lost is that they don't take enough time to

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necessarily think about okay what is the number one problem I should be solving right I try to think about business problems in a way of like okay what what's the number one problem that if I fixed it's like has the biggest outcome

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on the business right and that's just like kind of a way of prioritizing problems of like what is our biggest problem that would help overall okay let's solve that problem and yeah I got a list of 700 problems but yep at some point you just got to pick one to start

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solving so you need to start solving with you know the one that's going to you know maybe you solve that first problem and it fixes 10 other things off the list that you didn't right right yeah i I'll find myself doing that regularly it's like I'm trying to fix

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one thing and all of a sudden it knocks a couple other things off my list that I wasn't even planning on yeah and that's where it's you know focus and clarity and knowing exactly you know what what you're building like what you're trying to build like as specific and as clear

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as possible and if you get super clear on that kind of stuff it it you know the priorities of problems to fix become a whole lot more clear and often you know those problems those lynchpin problems are the ones that maybe we've been

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avoiding or the ones that we're not good at yet because that's why they haven't been solved right right so it's it is always a a time of trying to challenge yourself as an entrepreneur to step into whatever problem that you've either

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avoided or didn't know was a problem but now see um to be brave enough to kind of step into that and and start working on that problem because we want to work on problems that we're good at and and can solve real fast because that gives us

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that dopamine hit and makes us feel good but it really doesn't move the business forward right right yeah there's a big difference between activity and like productivity right right yeah because you can be working on stuff that might not contribute to the overall goal oh yeah yeah for sure are

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for you so you know you talked Roggen earlier about making the shift into e-commerce and can you tell us a little bit about that you know you you know as a construction industry that or say

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constru you're a manufacturer but like Yeah speak to that a little bit and I can definitely see how that dramatically changed your business for sure yeah yeah I mean like and I think e-commerce is a big part of um letting our business

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exist because I think you know before the internet I don't know if this business making these products could exist because you would have to put so much effort into getting your products into cataloges and distributors and

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things like that that it might not even probably wouldn't get the volume right it's they were probably products that were made by just a fabricator and they may have been a higher price relatively

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uh because there's not that efficiency of lean management in there um but now because of the internet you know we can make a platform where everybody can find us they just search what they need and you get on our website and you can

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purchase it just as easy as if you're going on Amazon to buy something right you can customize it have it to your cart get an instant shipping quote and send it out it just makes by making the process a lot easier for the customer

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and making everything easier for the customer it really helps the business out a lot um because before it was just a it was just a lead generation website here's your website this is what we offer fill out this form we'll get back

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to you with a quote you know in a day or two now it's all instant you know exactly what you're going to pay when you add everything to your cart and everything's easier there's financing options and things like that and it's

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just a better tool for a customer to be able to find out what they need yeah yeah and and that automates a lot of stuff on your side too right it takes out you know you're not you're not tracking down payments you're not going back and forth with customer to you know

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customize something right it's you guys you know even as a business getting focused and clear of like okay here's our products here's all the you know maybe you know we got 10 ways to customize this or whatever we can't have

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a thousand ways to customize this but you know at first I when I started building out the system I'm like I'm going to put in every request that we've gotten for customizations well you know you get the

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base model you get the customization you get all the colors pretty soon you have like 5,000 numbers that you're trying to track to become now the systems inefficient because it's over encumbered

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so you go okay well we'll just go with the most popular and then we'll find another way to manage and deal with the other custom ones but yeah it helps out a lot because now a customer goes on the website they can see exactly what's in

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stock so they can kind of shop around and see if they need it quick if they want the custom things they can buy it check out and the nicest thing is the minute that the order goes in it's on the schedule get ready for production

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it's already right there ready to go already has a welder assigned we know how much material we need and it just makes the production so much faster because when you're serving an industry like construction construction doesn't

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wait i believe you know all the construction we see in the world we see it looks like it's always behind schedule and stuff like that and never nothing ever gets done and it's just it's because it's just such a tight thing to manage and try big logistics

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thing yeah and trying and if you can't serve the needs of the construction industry to get things there fast and on time they're going to find somebody that will yeah yeah they'll pay a premium for that too especially if that's critical

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yeah that's a huge advantage you know for you of building that system is that Yeah what do you want you know this is what I have do you want any of it right like it's here right and and and you're right i you know I just assume you

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probably do get a bunch of business of um people are just showing up and like "Oh crap I need some product let's order this now." Yep i needed it yesterday is it happens more often than you think yeah well I mean you think of

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construction projects i mean they got millions and loans out there and every day costs x number of dollars in interest and you know what I mean like time is very very valuable those those types of projects yeah and you know it

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comes back to like simplifying your offerings and whatnot there like I think um I don't know I saw something online a couple weeks ago and it was like McDonald's like original menu and it was hamburger cheeseburger French fries ice cream cone right that was

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and like a soda right like and they like three different types of soda but like they built a model that was so simple and they squeezed every efficiency out of that and by keeping menu very simple it allows it to get insanely efficient right from the production side and from

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an inventory side and mandatory you know like if you got 10 million SKs inventory becomes a freaking nightmare right right the more you look at that and speak to your direct customer like man there's a lot of efficiencies there yeah and by

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keeping it simple to start you know then you'll learn what the customers kind of have a demand for what they want and then you can build on top of the system trying to be complex and then make a system that works for everything can be

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difficult you know I think like that efficiency of keeping that menu simple for McDonald's you know because then all they're making is burgers that's all the guy's got to do you got to make 20 burgers at once put them all on stack

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the burger together and turn around here you go they're ready to serve where if you tried to do that what like their menu is today you know you got chicken sandwiches you got chicken nuggets you got all those things well it's because

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they built on that simple system to serve the demands and if they tried to do that way back in the day you know you look at any kind of like mom and pop burger shop that's got 20 things on the menu it's going to take forever because

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they don't have that system for that one thing they're it's made to order and it's probably everything's customized they're not going to throw anything on the grill until you ask for it where

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McDonald's is you know they got things ready to go it's already precooked like that and when they're so simple too they have all the data and then they can customer behavior and then they can even be more prepared and like you know it

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all just builds on itself right yes it does yep yeah yeah that's simplicity for sure yeah so you know Ryan you know you you've built stuff you're still 26 right young guy what do you see for the future you know for you for a business like uh what's uh what's your goals here for

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sure for the business right now you know we're trying to expand our product lines and so we're doing that by bringing in other experts in their fields to do that because now the process is there's a lot to it now you know you got to come up

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with a concept got to prototype it got to draw it got to test it then you got to take pictures then you got to market it you got to do so many things right so now there's more players involved to get products up online um that it still

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follows our system right and it's just like the McDonald's thing now now we can take the big and apply it to different products and then scale that up so we're expanding our products lines and the services that we offer is what we're

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doing um and then for me I'm doing a little bit of construction consulting um on the side for some construction businesses to help them systemize um their stuff and help them with the software side uh because I've gotten my

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system set up enough that I can have a little bit of free time to help out some uh other clients of mine i'm not full scale doing that but uh yeah you know some good side work you know you figured out a few things building your own

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systems and now you can you can certainly help people uh get a little better yeah now I have a system for building systems it's I can easily other businesses yeah that's very cool and and that's I mean that's the journey though it really is it's like a lot of the entrepreneur

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journey it's like okay you go through this journey you figure a lot of stuff out and and I would I don't say the good entrepreneurs but the the people that go through all those battles and figure a lot of that stuff out they end up

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turning around and trying to teach that to people right and and and that's kind of like the whole point of this show too right is to is to help people skip a few steps and not you know maybe not run into the Korean problem you ran into right there thousands of problems I've

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run into and and beat my head against a wall when when I could have maybe listened to you know a show like this and oh I should do it this way not that way yeah it's always great to be able to learn from other people's mistakes and

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not have to do them yourself yeah those don't hurt as much do they right so man this been a great conversation tell people like what's the best way people can connect with you Raen get to know more about you or anything like

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that yeah if you guys are interested in what we have to offer in the construction market or just want to learn about what we do uh you can go to bariron.com and that has all of our products that we offer on there as well

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as some regular blog posts that are trying to educate the industry about some of the products that we have um some of our products like our concrete wash out tubs are an environmental requirement by the EPA and some

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construction companies still aren't using those yet and there are even some bigger companies gotten a lot of fines for not using them properly or keeping up with it so we're trying to expand that front of our website to where we

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can have some more educational resources about civil construction and um you know how that works there and why it's important yeah that's awesome Robert anything else man anything else you want

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to leave for the listeners before we go any piece of parting pieces of advice um you know one thing I've always kind of found myself doing is it's important to listen um to everybody around you you know if you're employing somebody there is a reason that you're employing them and even if it's the

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lowest man on the totem pole they probably have some valuable insights that you don't see anymore because it's been a long time since I picked up a welder and welded and so for me to just think that it works the same especially

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when I'm not actually a trade school professional welder like the ones I hire you know there's definitely some valuable insights that those guys have that I don't so always be open to listening to what people have to say

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yeah you know yeah humility right always always important to keep the humility um because you'll never learn anything new without it uh you were talking about the welder again there just made me remember as about a 5-year-old kid um being with my grandpa and taking a welding stick

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and just going right over my thumb with it you know this was you know 30 years ago and um yeah I just ran around the farm and did whatever I want and apparently I was playing with a welder

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but I just thought of that story anyway but yeah yeah you know the humility and and you know uh yeah just always be open to learn right yeah for sure yep well Roggen man I appreciate you coming on the show um and listeners we'll catch you

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next time thank you for having me appreciate it thank you so much for listening to the podcast if you found it valuable please rate review and share it that is the best way to help us build this and reach more people as we're

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trying to accomplish our goal of help creating more healthy wealthy and wise entrepreneurs you can follow us on social media by searching for me Peyton Squireers or going to payinsquires.com

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on the website and social media we're always sharing tips of personal growth and there we can actually interact i'm looking forward to it thanks guys